Gina:       The Hydration Foundation is here to support physicians who would like to share their message about how hydration has impacted their own practice and their protocols. And I’d like to introduce to our listeners and our audience someone very special, Dr. Kirsten Deutschlander. I met her at the Bulgarian international conference on the physics, chemistry and biology of water in October 2018. There were over 200 scientists and physicians. It’s a very specialized and beautiful conference right in the middle of all these Bulgarian mineral spas. And her message in particular really struck us at the Hydration Foundation as something we wanted to share with the world.

So, Dr. Deutschlander, the Hydration Foundation, welcomes you. We can’t believe we made this a reality having met you at that very special conference and joining our forces together. And we’d love to get a little bit about your training and your interest in water and how that all came about.

So, Dr. Kirsten Deutschlander, we welcome you to this interview with the Hydration Foundation.

Dr. Kristen: Thank you. Thank you very much.

Yes, I came to this water research because I was so frustrated with the treatment results of conventional medicine. I studied medicine and I wanted to help the people, I wanted to know what does a person really need to get healthy again. So I was so frustrated. And I didn’t want to release the symptoms by prescribing medications or by operation or anything else. And so I started to look for alternatives. I studied various healing systems, for example, the traditional Chinese medicine or the natural medicine, the homeopathy, acupuncture I really love, phytotherapy. And then I realized without a healthy mind and a healthy psyche there is no cure. And I did a training in psychotherapy. I did a training in trauma therapy, I learned EMDR, and over time I came to spiritual healing but always something was missing. And so I began to change my perspective. I thought about what is the basis of all these methods and what connects all these methods. And so I came to the conclusion, it must be the water because if you are not supplied with good water or if the supply in the body is not enough, you can’t heal with any method. And that’s the reason I came to the water research.

Gina:          And how long did that take? How long was that process for you? You had training in western medicine, right?

Dr. Kristen: Yes, I did the training in Western medicine. And it needs, I can tell you, 20 years. It needs 20 years to come to that point where I was really aware that it must be the water. And I think that’s a shame. You study years and years and no one tells you that water is really so important for the health. And yes, it needs 20 years.

Gina:          Wow! Tell us about what you discovered like what is the story, how did you get to looking at just water?

Dr. Kristen: Well, at that point I thought “I have to change my perspective and I have to explore how water works.” I tested it first by myself and I thought nature is the best guide. And so, I began to drink only spring water. I live here in a surrounding where I have a holy spring and I can go there and put the water in a glass bottle and make a little walk in the woods and then I go to the source and get my water by hand. And so I started to drink only this water and I observed what happens in my body. And so I saw I first got accustomed to this very fresh taste and I loved to drink it. And I didn’t want to drink water from the water pipe any longer. And then I realized that I felt incredibly powerful. And so I decided I want to test these effects with my patients. And at that time, my partner and some friends, and me founded this association as sources of life and in this association we wanted to find out how the healing power of water really works. And so they enabled me to carry out this pilot study with my patients.

Gina:          So this is the [inaudible][07:18] Water Association?

Dr. Kristen: Yes, yes, yes.

Gina:          And you’re in the chief position for that but tell us a little bit about the association. I love it so much as I think we’re doing parallel work with the Hydration Foundation, the same science-based physician-supported but tell us how that came about and who your collaborators there are?

Dr. Kristen: Yes, we had some friends who were really interested in the water research, researchers, but also normal people who are interested in the water theme. And we watched that there is no independent research at all. There’s no independent water research hub, there’s no independent water research and hardly no industry independent research at all. And this was the first reason we thought we had to support independent research.

Gina:          In other words, not supported by a water company that had a vested interest. This is a strictly nonprofit independent inquiry from people with expertise that would have the ability to really do the testing as you’ve done, which is so exciting and why we’re so happy because what you’re going to report on to all of us is what is so amazing but we’d like to know a little bit more about your colleagues in this organization.

Dr. Kristen: Yes, we wanted to work interdisciplinary and international and we want to carry out independent research but we also want to educate, we want to improve the health, education of health awareness of the population.

Gina:          You’re speaking my language, yes. What good is it doing the science community if it doesn’t come out and have an impact on our very grave health conditions now? So, yes, we love that, we love education, water education. That’s the whole point of these YouTube interviews we’re doing called Doctors Talk to not only alert doctors, to other doctors who are doing this research and offering you as the resource to other physicians around the world but also anyone can listen in on these conversations and discover.

Dr. Kristen: Yeah, it’s really important. And we want to combine or to connect the scientists, the older and wiser scientists with the knowledge, with the use, and we want to give something back to the younger generations. And our motto is together for healthy water, together for a healthy world. And I think that’s the same spirit.

Gina:          Yes. On your collegial board you have a medical journalist Walter Ohler.

Dr. Kristen: Yes. This is my partner also.

Gina:          Wonderful, wonderful. And you have an attorney. I love that that you are actually trying to protect and care from the legal side of use. Nadine Olthoff, water researcher that is involved. What is his particular role?

Dr. Kristen: His particular role right now is to support us with his knowledge. He’s a very practical man and he carries different devices and he tries to construct a device to reduce the emissions from the cars. That’s his work. And so we are looking for these creative hats.

Gina:          The innovators, the inventors who come with a practical support because while we have the spring water coming naturally out of the earth, we’re going to need support from many different dimensions including prevention through devices or products. Yeah, we also try to vet at the Hydration Foundation things that actually work and provide information on that. Also another very important of that practice decal work of education, not just drink more water, drink more water but here are the …

Dr. Kristen: No, there’s so much more in water research. There are new technologies, the energy supply and so much worthwhile work with water to be found.

Gina:          Yes. While I have you on the sort of looking over your colleagues, there’s someone I especially wanted to talk to you about which is Dr. Walter Medinger, ad chemist and a biophysicist, extremely revered, I mean, the science that he’s holding on biophysics. And I would love to have you say a few words about him and his work and his contribution to water.

Dr. Kristen: He examines several water sources. You can give him each water and he makes an examination of a very new kind with a method he has developed. It’s called the spectral … the frequency … I don’t really … I can’t describe it. It’s a difficult explanation. So, in our association he is the specialist who can explain to us how the physics behind works. And he has a special method to see if there is an high amount of easy water or there’s a little amount of easy water and how … really?

Gina:          How strong or how present it is.

Dr. Kristen: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Gina:          Yeah, I bring his name forward because I want our audience to understand the level of science that has come into these conversations because even here in the United States, we have Wikipedia, I’m sure you have that too, the online encyclopedia, and they do not have a listing for structured water, easy water or they didn’t finish it. So part of our work at the Hydration Foundation is to bring forward the quality of science behind that is understanding the spectrum of water and how it moves through phases and that there’s this unique phase called easy water or structured water or ordered water or crystalline water. We don’t have the whole name yet because we’re all looking at it from different dimensions but Dr. Medinger is actually a biophysicist and from my reading of his work, he looks at actually the light particles and the physics involved in shapes and changes in the water molecule. So this isn’t a material that is … This is very high science with some of the most quality researchers we have who are dying to look at water. They love the investigation of water because it’s such an exciting field and we’re finding out so many things. One of the most important things we’re finding out is that water can’t be understood only as a chemistry. It must also be understood as the physics. All those things are in it but for us to really lay hold of the healing power of water and talk about it in health and in environment now, we have to lean into the physics at the highest level.

Dr. Kristen: Oh yes, yes. Yes, he’s a specialist in the physics research, I think, and … I can’t really describe it. It’s hard.

Gina:          It’s okay. We want to make the point that your collaboration with technicians, with scientists, with inventors is a very beautiful spectrum of people who get it and also people who are just interested in their own health. So the organization that you created is really important because it reflects many different spokes into looking at water and helping understand its impact in health.

Well, I’m glad to hear about your colleagues and the work you’re doing bringing so many different interests together into one collaboration to go ahead and provide more thoughts on water. I love your background pictures, by the way. They’re about the water. So I understand that your association then provided you with the opportunity to do a pilot study. We’re very interested in hearing about that. So tell us what you did, how you did it, and what you discovered because it’s wonderful.

Dr. Kristen: Okay. I had 80 persons. They had to drink 1.5 liter of artesian spring water every day and besides that, they should not change anything in their life. And I had 30 patients with the diagnosis of depressive episodes or anxiety disorders from my psychotherapeutic office and 50 others as a controlled group and they are mentally healthy persons but I saw that all these persons had further physical complaints. So, for example, the mentally healthy ones had also migraine or tinnitus or sleep disorders, pains. I had some people with high blood pressure, with diabetes mellitus. I had some people with cancer in the history. And so I had the opportunity to watch a lot of symptoms, what happens if they drink 1.5 liter of artesian spring water and then they should make the observation and write it down. And all patients and all participants got a detailed questionnaire about their lifestyle, their mental and their physical health. And for all persons I took the free radicals and the antioxidant capacity. So I got a lot of detailed …

Gina:          Data points.

Dr. Kristen: Yes, yes. Yeah, this was the setting. They should not change anything. They should watch what happens and give feedback after 4 weeks, 8 weeks and 12 weeks.

Gina:          That’s a pretty big cohort. 80 people is substantial. And then across the range of so many of our pilot studies, are they take disease specific people and package them and that’s the study. So what you’ve done is unique which is across multiple … Again, you’re doing such interdisciplinary work even with the patients that you selected. I’m very interested to hear what you discovered from this.

Dr. Kristen: The interesting thing with the [inaudible][21:54] use where their antioxidant capacity, I took that for each person four times. And it shows that the antioxidant capacity increases in both groups. And so you can say their oxidative stress is reduced because the antioxidant capacity has the ability to buffer the free radicals. And in medicine we know free radicals, if they are not in the balance, if they are always too high, they harm the body and they are associated with chronic diseases, so chronic inflammation, cancer, Alzheimer’s disease. And so with this increasing the antioxidant capacity, you can say that only by drinking water, this artesian special water, you can help to prevent chronic diseases. That was the first thing that really impressed me.

Gina:          Yes, we think that’s impressive too. And to talk about water as a buffer against free radicals, would you even support the idea that something like EMF, that water could be a buffer against the electromagnetic frequencies that we’re also receiving through cell phone use and cell towers?

Dr. Kristen: I’m quite sure that it is so but it’s not investigated but I’m quite sure there is really a chance to investigate it.

Gina:          We’re trying to get those studies done too. Maybe we can link up our resources to make sure that … but I agree with you because it’s such an upstream intervention.

Dr. Kristen: Yes.

Gina:          Whether the assault on the body is chemical as in pesticides or its biological as in viruses or bacteria or whether it’s electromagnetic, what happens in the body with those insults is the same process. So knowing water’s ability to buffer that is really, really important. Most people do not think of hydration as the way to help us cope with these electromagnetic assaults or chemical assaults. We have one answer for all of our environmental …

Dr. Kristen: Yeah, I think it’s right. And some researchers now believe that every disease starts by the disruption of the structure of water in the cells around the DNA, around the proteins, and that’s the beginning of chronic diseases and they call it external interfacial water stress.

Gina:          I’ve never heard that term before. I like that.

Dr. Kristen: Yeah, that’s really good, because if you imagine these easy water, along all the surfaces and the interfaces in the cells and if you disrupt the surfaces, if this structure on the surface, this jailed water is how you call it, are this easy water, then the proteins don’t work right, they are damaged maybe. And so that’s the basis of development of several diseases.

Gina:          Dr. Deutschlander, how did you discover Dr. Pollack’s work and the easy water? Where did the structured water concept enter into your life and your training? How did all this come about?

Dr. Kristen: It entered in my life after the I saw the results of my study because I couldn’t believe it. I couldn’t believe the results of my study and thought “I have to investigate, I have to find an explanation what happens? Why do all these things go in the right direction, in the direction of healing with many, many complaints?” And so I started to read every book I could read about water research I found. Then I was really impressed from this book from Jared Pollock and I understood how the healing power of water works with his explanation.

Gina:          Fascinating. I don’t want to derail you from telling us the results of your study. We’ve swirled around a little bit but give us the specifics. And then we can talk about Dr. Pollack’s work.

Dr. Kristen: Okay. The next thing was the physical complaints really go down. I could observe that in the patients with pain and in the patients with diabetes mellitus and the patients with arterial hypertension. They had to reduce their medical dose. So the insulin dose, they had to adjust it and that impressed me really because I never expected it. So the people told me that they lose weight. And, for me, that was one explanation. They lose weight because they didn’t want to drink alcohol any longer, they didn’t want to drink soft drinks any longer, they didn’t want to eat fast food any longer, they had more appetite for fresh. So their behavior and their nutritional behavior changed in the direction of more health conscious.

Gina:          Yeah, this is simply from the addition of a liter and a half of artesian water. We’re calling that also mineral water.

Dr. Kristen: Mineral water, yes.

Gina:          Right? So we want just want to be clear about the kinds of waters. So can you give us some name brands that would register for us in the United States?

Dr. Kristen: I don’t know.

Gina:          Right? Yeah, I’m thinking of the Italian … let’s just any water, are they with carbonation or without carbonated?

Dr. Kristen: Without, they are all without carbonation. And these are local sources springs here in Germany.

Gina:          They include minerals. That is the key difference. They’re not waters from pipes. They’re water from natural sources that have minerals. So with the simple addition, no other change in their behaviors or their diets or other medications, just a liter and a half of mineral water was what created these results. That’s what we found so remarkable about your work. Well, here you go. We have the study now, we have the blood work, we have the range of diseases and chronic illness issues. Right here presented we had a nice cohort of people, it’s over 80 people in your study. These results are really important to share. It’s very wonderful to have you having done this. So is there any more you’d like to say about those results?

Dr. Kristen: Well, there are many things. For example, physical fitness increases in the patients with depressive episodes. And this really impressed. They tell me “We are motivated to move more.” And if you move more, then your bodily stress hormones go down and your bodily happiness hormones increase and endogenous endorphins go up. And so the depressive persons are motivated to change their lives, to walk more. And I never expected that something like that happens.

Gina:          It’s so exciting to hear that because really if we had a pharmaceutical, if you could say “This will help you exercise. You will get motivated to exercise,” [inaudible][31:10] out of the universe, everyone would want one but because part of our understanding now is that water is actually an energy source because it’s connected with the minerals and that that becomes literally putting motivation, if you just want to call it that, or fuel into your system so that your psyche changes, your willingness to engage and to be present that’s really such good news.

Dr. Kristen: Yeah. And also people with anxiety disorders, they told me they can better relax and they have dreamed more and they could think clearer and they are motivated to tackle changes in their lives. So I thought somehow the water works.

Gina:          You’re helping us understand the impact of your studies on people who had anxiety issues. That’s where we left off. And motivation to move. But the anxiety stuff is interesting too. We have a study here in the United States done by Lawrence Alexander who found that even a 2% reduction in hydration changed moods in young women. That makes perfect sense when we start going to the realization that water is a form of energy. When you run out of energy, of course, your mood diminishes, mood being just one of those psychic words but helping people understand that we actually are run on water, that’s our fuel. If we don’t have that, it’s going to show up in everybody differently but it’s going to show up in everybody. Part of what we want to communicate, I think, is our environment is more dehydrating now than it used to be because of these environmental insults, whether it’s electromagnetic or chemical or biological. And the solutions seem so mundane or average that no one thinks that a glass of water could have that much impact. They consult physician for something that they could provide for themselves way, way earlier.

Dr. Kristen: Yes, we didn’t know these energy aspects. And, I think, in medicine it’s not known that water gives us the energy. We all always think of only food gives us the energy but if we think about if we have a big meal, afterwards you feel tired. The body first has to break the food down and the individual components and that needs energy before you can use the energy from the food but if you drink water, if you drink good water, the body can use the energy immediately. And I think that’s really important to tell the people and to tell the colleagues.

Gina:          Well, for our colleagues, our fellow physicians – I’m not a physician, I’m an anthropologist – my coauthor of Quench is a medical doctor and we specifically allied because we wanted to get this message to physicians so that they could get out of their frustration of not being able to help patients.

Dr. Kristen: Yes, yes, yes. I think that’s my work too to tell it to the colleagues. This week we have a symposium about water conquest and it’s only for the colleagues. And so we are happy there are hundred colleagues coming to visit and we bring this message.

Gina:          Well, could you speak to that, Dr. Deutschlander, how aware are other physicians, other colleagues, other scientists of this discovery or identification of structured water? Tell us a little bit about where that is.

Dr. Kristen: I think the awareness of the structured water is below 5%.

Gina:          Oh, dear. Okay, so we have our work cut out for us?

Dr. Kristen: Oh, yes. Oh, yes, yes. I think they don’t really know anything about it besides they go the same way like I do because you don’t hear anything in your studies, in your work at the at the clinic, there’s no one who tells you that drinking water, yes, but not how important it as an energy donator.

Gina:          Tell us then and now I’d love to hear what it felt like to read this book from Dr. Pollock and what your understanding was, how you put that together with the study you’d already completed.

Dr. Kristen: I saw the interface water, this water, this exclusions on water can explain nearly all these things that happened in my study. These healing affects you can explain with the energy but you also can explain this healing effects through the easy water with the information aspect. So I had some patients, they had so phenomenal results of this study, so I thought there must be another reason why they go in this direction. They were under therapy for over years and nothing really changed. And now drinking 1.5 liter artesian spring water makes them go in the right direction, in the direction of healing in three months. So there must be the right information, especially for their disorder. So I think there is some informational aspect. And I began to realize “Ah, how does that work?” A lot of research is necessary to explain it but Jerald Pollock described it very, very good. So we have an idea how it can work. And other researchers have worked on this theory. And another thing is that I now know that this easy water is so important to carry the plant substances, to carry the vital substances in our body that the best is to drink water and to eat water. So that’s your work. And this is another thing we don’t really realize in medicine and this is a really important thing. If you want to hydrate the whole body, you have not only to give the advice “Drink, drink, drink,” you have to give the advice “Drink and eat water.” So the combination makes sure that you have the vital substances and the secondary plant substances in the body so the body gets hydrated in the deep layers. And that’s really, really interesting.

Gina:          Yeah, it’s very wonderful to couple the message that to drink along with to eat. They got separated, to begin with. I don’t really know where we lost the knowledge that an apple is a fabulous way to hydrate, cucumber is a fabulous way to hydrate. I don’t know quite how that happened but maybe it’s the advertising of the bottled water industry, I can’t lay it at any one in particular’s feet. I think it just happened that the cultural message was the only way to hydrate is to drink and to get those eight glasses a day without any understanding of what kind of water you would be drinking makes all the difference in the world, as you discovered in your study.

I love that you’re talking about information in water. And I wondered if you would say a bit more about that. I don’t know if you’re associating it with electrical charge or electrical information. I just would like to hear you say more about that.

Dr. Kristen: That’d be best to ask Walter Medinger. He knows it better than me but this informational aspect to the structured water, I think, is because the water is coherent and sends a coherent electromagnetic charge or information. And we now know that through this coherent domains or this easy water we can store the information in sort of laser light and with a laser light you build up holograms and there you can store enormous information. So, this is a hyper process. And how it works to store this information … And there are quantum physical affects like resonance affects and we know that, for example, proteins are not superior to the water, the water is superior to the proteins and the water is superior to the genes. And if there is an information in the water structure to activate the genes, then it happens, not vice versa. It is water that activates the genes and activates the proteins and that is the information in the water that informs the proteins to build enzymes or go for the metabolism.

Gina:          Whatever is needed, right?

Dr. Kristen: Whatever is needed, yes, and it’s fascinating.

Gina:          Yes, the idea that it helps us understand why water would have an impact on all 80 of your pilot study people because it is the carrier of the appropriate information for each particular symptom or problem that someone has. So without that incoming water then biologically activates the proteins and the enzymes to correctly move, we won’t have the kind of results we’re looking for.

Dr. Kristen: Yes.

Gina:          It’s a really extraordinary message, what we’re holding, Dr. Deutschlander, this idea, it is such a profound way back from the vast amounts of chronic illnesses we’re facing because of the new environments we’re living in. So bravo, bravo. We love sharing this work. We love sharing other’s expertise. I’m dying to ask you how you hydrate or what you tell your patients, what kind of protocols? Do you stick with the 1.5 liters or have you added more foods?Dr. Kristen: Yes, I start to ask them if they can make a test. I advise them to make a test if they are hydrated enough. So you can prove it if you go in the morning, you have an empty bladder, you drink about half a liter or 600 milliliters and after two hours 200 milliliters should come out off the bladder. So that’s the first test. If there is no urine enough, you can say you are of course dehydrated.

Gina:          Because you’re keeping it in your body because you were so depleted.

Dr. Kristen: Really, yes, yes. And so they should start to hydrate in the morning on an empty stomach. And the best is to combine it or drink a smoothie. And I think a green smoothie is perfect in the morning to give the body the vitamins and the water they need. So I tell them to drink one smoothie a day and start with drinking half a liter of water in the morning.

Gina: That’s perfect. That’s exactly the same protocol we provided in Quench, the book that we wrote, to try to bring this information. So amazing that we’ve landed on the same approach. It’s  very confirming, very exciting.

Dr. Kristen: Yeah, yeah. And so I tell them to drink before you exercise, to drink after exercise and to combine it. You can put herbs in the water. You can put fruits in the water, strawberries or mint leaves. It’s really nice because it increases the easy cells in the water if you put fruit in it and fruits are 90% or 99% water and fruits are easy water. And so you increase the uptake of easy water and the structured water, if you put the fruits in the water.

Gina:          Yeah, it’s a wonderful combination and it’s so easy in a very busy world, it really helps. Even busy moms, for example, we like to encourage, I know it’s hot in Germany today, but even making popsicles for their kids with just fruit and water together frozen, frozen drinks or all of that, I think, reminding people that the plant life, whether it’s a fruit or it’s an herb, a cucumber, that they carry the minerals. So when you put that together, you have this mineralized water in addition to the fibers that help you retain that water. This is a very simple straightforward approach but it’s just unknown.

Dr. Kristen: Yes. And it’s your work and I love your work. And since I read your books Quench, I tell the people again to do fascia Yoga because the fascia are waterways and that’s also unknown and the patients don’t know that. And so this is soothing, this is stretching. It’s perfect together, what in the deeper layers for the body.

Gina:          I love that. We just came across some new research showing that the joints are actually part of the canal system in the body, locks and canals, and they’re especially important part of pumping water. So when you move your joints, fold your joints, actually along with the uptake of the fascia and the connective tissue, you now have an additional pump point on to move and flush.

Dr. Kristen: It’s perfect because the people sit 8 hours and more, yea. And the children also sit eight hours and more.

Gina:          The work of Esther Gokhale, she’s someone who’s studied primate motion, she said something so profound and shocking in a way. She said that the mechanics of the body mean that we have over 300 movements available to us through simple mechanics but in our modern life, by the time we’re teenagers we only use about 30 of all the movements available to us. That’s sobering because it means that there’s parts of your body that will not get the level of hydration that could give it the vitality. So motion and rotation are also very, very foundational to hydration. I mean, the conversation about hydration is a very big and exciting one. It doesn’t involve just telling people eight glasses a day. The fact that we now get to talk about movement and dance and our body liveliness, body joy fueled by the water, delivered through water. And then, importantly, I’d love you to speak a little bit more about how hydration then does the detoxification or the flushing of the waste out of our systems, if you found any way to talk about that in your pilot study that came up.

Dr. Kristen: Yes, I could show that the free radicals go down with the water drinking and the joint pain was less in the patients with rheumatism. And I had some patients with psoriasis and the skin disease, there was no efflorescence, I don’t know what it’s called. Their skin got  much better. And the headache, for the migraine patients and the headache patients, the headache decreases. They had rarer headache. And so, I think, it’s a combination of all these things that detoxify the body. So I only had one measure value. So, I think the antioxidant capacity and the free radicals in combination show that there’s a detoxification going on and the symptom …

Gina:          It makes perfect sense. In the conversations on hydration we don’t normally hear about the … We hear about intake. We don’t hear about what water is taking out of your system. So, even the headaches. One of our beautiful physicians that we’ve interviewed for this Doctor Talk series mentioned that the brain function, 80% of it is electrical and only 20% of it is chemical. And here we are throwing all these chemicals at brain function when electrical function run conducted by water couldn’t have such a profound impact. And then another of our physicians, Dr. Tom Cowhert, mentioned that easy water because of its structure and shape actually spaces cells the appropriate amount of space from each other that conduction in the brain can happen.

Dr. Kristen: So many effects, so many. I think there should be really, really many new research projects.

Gina:          Well, we love your protocol. We think it’s great that you’re doing work that’s so important and spreading it so beautifully. We want to thank you and make sure people are aware of your work here in the United States. We’ll put a link to your [inaudible][53:42] Association at the bottom of this interview and will pull out some of your best quotes, there’s many in this, but I think you’re sitting on some extraordinarily powerful information with this amazing study that you did. And we’re so happy to make sure physicians here in the United States or wherever they work so that they have the kind of power to walk into their clinics and talk about water in a clinically studied way that we haven’t really had before.

So, bravo, bravo to you for your work. We’re so glad to find you and support you. We look forward to some projects together and also spreading your education, maybe some other interviews together, and we just want to offer our thrill and happiness that you’ve done this work.

And Dr. Kristen Deutschlander, is there any other thing you’d like to say to us about water or your experiences and your findings?

Dr. Kristen: Thank you. I’m very, very happy that we met. And I can give it back, the compliments I can give it back. And I learned so many things from you. And now I’m motivated to give it to the colleagues. And this is so important and an easy practical knowledge. So we can give it to everyone. I work in this clinic with the patients. These are families and that’s our children. And I always try to give this knowledge to the children so that the whole family can prevent chronic diseases. And that’s the thing I love best. And thank you for your work.

Gina:          Yes. Everything is on our website. It’s in English. And I know many, many Germans speak English but it’s completely free to take anything there and use it in any way you want. That’s our job. We believe in this. Again, I think we’re looking forward to some great partnerships together.

So, Dr. Kirsten Deutschlander is sitting in her Munich clinic with beautiful water pictures behind her and sitting on a load of information about what water does to chronic illness across the board. So thank you again.

Dr. Kristen: Thank you.

Gina:          Okay. So that’s the end of the interview but can I have you for a few minutes yet?

If you think of anything else you want to say, just connect with me and we’ll make sure [inaudible][56:48] to the interview. There’s no reason not to use technology to say what you really want to communicate.

Dr. Kristen: Yes. Okay, I’ll think about it, okay? And do you send me the video to look over it?

Gina:          Yes, I can do that, absolutely. And then it takes us a while to … So what we do is we get a transcript of this by text and then I look through it and find choice set of quotes. We take those little quotes and we write around that like “Look what Dr. Kristen Deutschlander has found on diabetes” or “on psychiatric work.” So we find like three or four, we put that up on YouTube for everybody to find it and people go there to find very short things.

Dr. Kristen: Okay.

Gina:          And it will say “If you want to see the whole interview, go to the Hydration Foundation website.” Then that will be whole interview. Then we got to pay many bills with this one interview. We take all of the doctors that we’ve interviewed, now over 25, and we put them in February as a summit, a Hydration Summit. So an online “Oh my god, all these experts are talking together about hydration.” So we’re going to have it on YouTube, we’re going to have it on our website, we’re going to have it on our Instagram. These clips are on our Instagram and on Facebook. And all of that then drives people back to the education they can get on the website. So you get to be with all of these other colleagues who are saying …

Dr. Kristen: That’s perfect. And you come over to Germany.

Gina:          Yes. So I’m coming in October to the Water Conference. The German publishers are going to do that book reading nearby but I have an idea I wanted to talk to you about. And don’t give me an answer right away. Take some time to think about it. I was thinking how could we at the water conference this year help all the scientists who are coming with Dr. Pollock. And I was thinking it could be really fun and joyful to show them a few of the movements from [inaudible][59:30].

Dr. Kristen: Yes, I think, that’s right.

Gina:          And so may be at the end of your presentation, you could just say “Now, everybody stand up. We’re going to have Gina lead us in a few movements so you can experience the fascia’s part of hydration.”

Dr. Kristen: Yes.

Gina:          I think that could be so fun and a little bit of a surprise but then we can help all those people in the room see how simple it is to move. And then we can get them to move between each talk.

Dr. Kristen: I think that’s a good idea because I just thought about it to do it this weekend.

Gina:          I think people who have to sit at conferences appreciate a little bit of movement.

Dr. Kristen: Eight hours, yes.

Gina:          And because it’s so topic-related now and also I think it warms us towards each other as animal bodies. We’re not just here. We’re also …

Okay, wonderful. So maybe we can just scheme a little bit about what moves we might show at the conference but then we can take some time to think about it.

Dr. Kristen: Okay.

Gina:          Wonderful. I’m so excited.

And I have also wanted to ask you about Dr. Medinger if he’s feeling better. I know he was ill last time.

Dr. Kristen: A little bit. He has a very severe neurological disease, a very seldom disease, and the conventional medicine says there is no cure. There’s only the way … in the wheelchair. And he’s going to get dimension but he has colleagues working with him and researchers and some spiritual healers. And so we are really, really surprised. We saw him back and we visited him three weeks ago and he couldn’t stand again, he couldn’t … a little … Yes, he’s started to concentrate. So we think it needs a few months. And we tried to invite him to come to [inaudible][62:27] but he wanted to make … He wants not to say yes right now. perspective. He wants to wait, if it would be possible, but he’s on the way back to life and that’s really good.

Gina:          Yeah, I’m sure that your colleagues are encouraging the high Omega 3 oils. Their impact on neurological issues, like very high dosages, so like 2000 to 5000 milligrams. So that’s just some information that’s really helpful for that. And I’m sure people … Otherwise, he wouldn’t be improving, right? Maybe we could help him even more. So I also am wondering if he has any papers or anything I could read that are …. I don’t know what I’ve missed. So if you think of some good material that he’s written that I can read and then support and show here, I would love to do that.

Dr. Kristen: Okay.

Gina:          His work is super and very few people here know anything about it. So let’s change that.

Dr. Kristen: Okay, I’m working. Okay.

Gina:          Wonderful. Thank you. What a delight.

Dr. Kristen: Thank you.

Gina:          It’s so supportive to find another group of people who are doing what we’re trying to do and it makes a huge difference.

Okay, I’m totally behind you. I’m dying to hear after you go to your conference, your next one, shoot me a little email of anything I should know or people I should interview from that because we are still going to be interviewing people always over and over again because now we have the mechanism to spread this.

Dr. Kristen: This is perfect. Yes. Okay, I’ll do it. Okay. Thank you very much.

Gina:          Bless you. Okay, take care. Bye, bye.

Dr. Kristen: Take care. Bye.

Gina:               It’s great pleasure to bring Holland Franklin to our Hydration Solution Summit and our work at the Hydration Foundation because I’m going to leverage her sound for experience in healing modalities but even with all her training, she herself encountered electromagnetic sensitivity and this is a case study story. So, what she’s going to share with her is her own experience. It’s a little bit like Renee Brown and Jill Bolte Taylor when they tell you about “I was the practitioner and yet I suffered the impact.” So, these are people we really want to listen to because they have a unique kind of vocabulary and information so share with us.

So, Holland, we thank you for joining us at the Hydration Summit. We’re very pleased to have found you with your particular expertise to share what you have.

Holland:          Thank you. I’m very pleased to be here, support water and everything that you’re doing.

Gina:               Yeah, we’re trying to do a big thing here and we need all of us to do it. I’ll just say just very quickly that Franklin is a practitioner of the Compass School Feng Shui. And why that’s important and unique is that she has a specialty in the role of electromagnetic fields common in today’s homes, buildings, and properties. This is something we have not addressed yet at the Summit and we really want to bring her expertise to let you know about her expertise but we’re going to talk today about her particular story of electromagnetic sensitivity, how this happened to her, and why we’re seeing it rise. Of course, it’s going to rise because as it accumulates, it has more impact.

So, Holland, the way I would like to sort of set you for our audience is if you wouldn’t mind sharing with us a little bit about your healing expertise, what kind of modalities that you’ve investigated and explored, and how you ended up deciding that your unique gifts made you decide that buildings, properties, homes and Feng Shui was where you were going to have your unique impact. Talk about love that.

Holland:          That’s a great question. Ever since I was in my 20s, I’ve been very interested in holistic health. The first time I walked into a health food store and the foods looked better to me, it’s sort of a no brainer. And along the way, I spent a lot of time doing different kinds of bodywork. I used to teach something called Body Harmony. It’s very similar to craniosacral work. It’s just very, very subtle, very rebalancing, goes with how we’re organized rather than trying to impress an order upon your body. And really everything that I’ve done has that kind of philosophy to it.

Gina:               And gentleness. I noticed this gentle quality about which places you’ve chosen. That’s amazing to me.

Holland:          Not being invasive and just bringing forth what wants to get expressed in a person has always been really important to me because that’s where our genius is, that’s where our happiness is, is in all those really specific things that we are.

Gina:               Unique to each of us. Yes, I agree.

Holland:          Exactly.

Gina:               It’s irreplaceable, actually. I mean, the profundity of what you’re saying just to bookmark that is that because we’re each unique, that means we’re the one that cannot be replaced. So, our gifts and the way we bring it into the world is irreplaceable because nobody else is going to be doing that work. And I love that you see birthing that as a gentle process for people.

Holland:          It’s so important and healing to me has often seemed like a process of unlearning or shedding a lot of the models that we’ve taken on, whether they came from parents or culture around us or just our own self-imposed requirements of ourselves because we think we should be a doctor or whatever. And we don’t really know ourselves or what we’re truly capable of when we’re trying to fit into another pattern. You can learn a lot that way, for sure, but the self-criticism that we have, which is incredibly stressful, over our failure to fulfill a particular box, set of characteristics, it’s really damaging in itself. So, it’s been my joy to find different modalities and awareness like structured water and to help people to blossom into their unique selves, whatever their pathway is to doing that. So, I spent a lot of time doing the body work and emotional resolution system called Vivation® which uses breathwork, as part of it, integrating emotions through using the breath. And I went to a Chinese medicine school for a while. I studied homeopathy for a while. I wanted to be a lot of things. So, I wanted to understand certain things. So, I would go in that direction for a while and then it seemed I would acquire certain viewpoints and skills. And then I sort of moved along to the next thing. So, It’s been a wild road. That’s just the way my life has unfolded.

I studied with midwives for a while. I went to a lot of births. I learned a lot about what it’s really like to hold space for something sacred to happen and really take care of everybody and be incredibly vigilant in a certain way, quiet in the background kind of way and what it feels like when it’s a really healthy scenario, there’s some basic wellness there. So, it’s a kind of a tuning into wellness that I’ve gotten through these different modalities and people and babies. That gives me a unique viewpoint.

And then some of the models too like the Chinese medicine influenced me a lot. And I spent a while just doing energy healing actually. I even taught that for a number of years. So, the transition for me was not something I really decided. It’s more like it chose me going into Feng Shui. I was literally walking across the parking lot on a vacation in Hawaii when a bolt of lightning, I just got one of those recognitions where it’s like “Okay, I’m working on people for an hour, whatever, as other practitioners do. And these people are then going home to a building that is not healthy.” And that building is going to undo a lot of the work that I just did, that we just did.” And I just realized that without attending to the spaces that we live in, we’re constantly undermined in everything else that we do for our health or in relationships. And by health, I mean, emotional, mental, mental, physical, spiritual, the whole gamut. I had studied some Feng Shui at that point. It was a black hat system, which I didn’t really have a wonderful time trying to apply, although I learned some good principles. And the way I learned it too was actually partly through sensing energy. So, when something shifts or something has a negative effect, you can literally feel it with your hands. If you go towards a pointed object, you can feel that point here. So, that kind of full-body kind of education about it as well made it far more real to me and I think for a lot of people.

So, I took a U-turn basically and started studying Feng Shui. And around that same time, that’s 1997, around that same time I got introduced to a line of products which were designed to help protect people from EMF but also to deeply balance their energies. And that started my parallel kind of education with what EMF is, how it can affect us, how deeply it can affect us, and what it’s like to be affected too because a lot of us are quite affected on a regular basis and we have no idea because we think we’re just stressed, we’re stressed by our job, by our kids, whatever, somebody delivered the wrong thing but a lot of our stress is ongoingly coming from our environment. So, those kinds of situations. So, I’ve had 23 years’ worth of practice looking at all the effects of all these things, what happens with people when you balance it properly, and also what happens, especially when you take the EMF down as far as you can possibly get it. And the transformation that happens with people when you do those things, it can be quite profound.

So, that’s the picture.

Gina:               Tell us about your experience of finding that you had become yourself electromagnetic sensitive, how you even figured that out. Tell us your story.

Holland:          Okay, I should start by saying at the time that it occurred, which is 2007, I didn’t even know such a thing was possible. There are some naysayers that think we’re just sort of hysterical and we talk ourselves into stuff but you can’t talk yourself into something you don’t know about. So, after I’ve been practicing Feng Shui for about 10 years and I did know enough about EMF at that point, although my knowledge about wireless technology was a lot weaker, I’d say. I hadn’t fully distinguished it from the other types of EMF and how it affects people. And so, there was a period of time where there were many, many kinds of stresses converging at once and one of them was that I had to move from a house I really liked. And the only thing that opened up for me was to rent some space in a friend’s home, which I did. And I’m coping rather well with everything I thought but I started having some really peculiar experiences. The worst one was probably my sleep where I would, in the middle of the night, 3 o’clock, 2 o’clock, whatever, my body would heat up like I was on fire, it was like having a sudden fever that could last half an hour. And it’s like you’re suddenly in Palm Springs and it’s 130 degrees out. And the only way I could calm that down was to literally walk out of the house and sit in the cold night air for a while. And I had horrible dreams and I couldn’t think. I was trying to organize things, couldn’t figure out where to put my clothes, I couldn’t figure out what was what. I was like swearing and throwing things. And you’ve met me. I’m like not a swearing throwing things kind of person.

Gina:               Very calm.

Holland:          And just walking up a flight of stairs, I was like … I felt 10 years older. I realized, I think, I got fairly quickly to the thought that it was probably some kind of EMF issue because I knew I’d been under a lot of stress but I really was dealing with it fairly well. I do tend to land on my feet. So, I had that assumption that I would.

Gina:               Well, all those years of modalities of healing, I’m sure, have given you a level of strengthening and resilience and equanimity. You can’t touch all of those modalities and not experience, for yourself, advancement and how to just manage, organize, go forth, go up at that stage of life even with the stresses to be so far down, drag yourself up the stairs.

Holland:          Yeah, that was gnarly. And I didn’t mention too because this occurred after I learned Feng Shui but I also became a trauma therapist in there for a number of years, practicing Somatic Experiencing® which is a very body-based organic way of healing from trauma. And I’ve done a lot of that work myself. So, I was basically pretty grounded, rooted, not very upsettable person, by and large, most of the time.

Okay. So, I’ve got the idea that it’s probably some kind of EMF related thing. And so, I go looking around the house and what I find is that there’s a router that’s approximately 20 feet from where I’m sleeping. And I’ve never been hugely sensitive to routers before but I had noticed that when I was in buildings that had a lot of Wi-Fi and when I’d had a router for a while, I noticed that it did tend to kind of knock me out, like nothing extreme though, but for some reason, this became extreme. And I also noticed that when I left the building, I felt fine unless I was going to another place that also had a lot of Wi-Fi. And so, what to do? And how I found out what it was, was really just I did what Americans do these days. I did Google searches for what am I experiencing right now, what’s causing it. And I came up with the term electro-hypersensitivity or electrosensitivity, which is a phenomenon that’s been around for a very long time. As long as we’ve had wiring and homes, as long as there have been people working in the military around a lot of EMF or whatever, there have been people who’ve been injured by this.

Gina:               My own brother. I never mentioned that, but yeah, high-frequency wires. It’s been around a long time.

Holland:          You see, that’s deadily. It can be deadly. And one of the daunting things I discovered was that I couldn’t find anything about people who had recovered, except finally I found one woman who said something. So, it was a kind of like “Oh my god, I have a chronic condition now. What do I do with this?” The world is suddenly a lot less safe than it was just two weeks earlier. So, that’s basically where I was and then trying to talk to people about this with, this is my alarm like “Get rid of the Wi-Fi.” And people looked at me like “But you can’t see it. It can’t hurt you. What’s the big deal?” So it was a very, very puzzling, daunting, difficult time, and I think it is for a lot people who find themselves where they feel awful. And no one can directly help you that you know of. So, you start investigating and investigating. And that’s what I did years of investigating. Thankfully, I did have some knowledge and I had these particular EMF tools that I had used for years and they did help me enormously. And I don’t know if I would have kept my health without them, honestly. And I did have a park up the street where I could sleep during the daytime, literally, because I couldn’t sleep at night.

Gina:               Wow!

Holland:          And this is not a really uncommon story anymore. The estimate 10 years ago was that 3% to 5% of people in general are electro-hypersensitive, which is what that is, basically like an allergy to all the EMF signals. And so, it’s a bell curve. There’s people who are like the Mac trucks of civilization where they’re not really much affected by anything and then there’s the gradations. And at the other end, you have people who are much more acutely affected. So, there are a lot of people in the middle of this bell curve that have a lot of symptoms that are directly caused by EMF exposure, radio frequency exposure, and don’t know it because it looks like so many other things.

Gina:               Well, how would you know it? For example, how would you pick that if you didn’t know about frequencies because we don’t tend to think of them because we don’t see them? We would more go towards a chronic illness of some kind of diagnosable testing or we would go to some maybe nutritional deficiency that we would be concerned about or we would just call it generally stress. So, I don’t think people have yet … I’d like to bring forward Martin Pall’s work, who’s a physician who’s taken a turn now to really help people look at the physiology of frequency on the cell structure. And he was able to identify a voltage in the cell membrane. So, literally, the passage into the cell of nutrients and chemicals happens because the cell has receptors that allow those things in and the decision to make it go in and go out is based on a lot of different strategies of the cell but we always think of it as a chemical signal but he was really the first scientist physician who spotted the fact that those door openings in the cell membrane can actually be triggered just like a garage door by frequencies. So, literally, the frequencies can open a cell membrane in a place that it doesn’t want to get opened so that now we are finding far more calcium in cells that aren’t supposed to be there. And so many questions like “Wait, why now? Why is that all happening now?” So, we can start to trace that these frequencies have a capacity to change how the cell functions and interacts and how to guard itself, when it should open and when it shouldn’t. So, I would definitely refer people to his work, Martin Pall, really thoughtful. What I love about Martin’s work is he actually gives you a diet to follow, not a diet where you get rid of things, a diet in which you can include things that help the cell membrane make better and smarter choices about what it’s going to open to or not.

So, I happen to think, and I hope we can shift the conversation to this, Holland, that what supply our foods that we eat and the ones that Martin suggests are that they all carry structured water. So, these are high-structured-water foods. So, they are hydrating foods. And I think that the structure of the water coming in through those particular foods is part of the dynamism because the capacity of water and structured water to pass on signals or modulate signals, that we’re finding we should have the conversation about hydration and electromagnetic frequencies because when you put the story of structured water in there, suddenly, water looks like a really important part of how we’re going to help ourselves how to manage the signals that are all around us.

So, will you tell us a little bit about how you found out about the role of structured water in your healing journey from electromagnetic sensitivity?

Holland:          Sure. I’ve actually been familiar with structured water since 2002.

Gina:               And why is that? I mean, that’s a surprise, that’s way back. Dr. Pollack’s book wasn’t even published until 2013, I think, Four Phase of Water. How did you know about structured water?

Holland:          I had been thinking that I needed to improve my water somehow. And that I also needed more magnesium. A friend called me like the next day or two and said “Oh, I’ve got this great water product and the company also has this great magnesium thing.” And it was sort of “Okay, I asked. I got.” And the water product was something that you put in a container of water and over a period of time it would structure the water. So, I drank that water and I felt a noticeable difference. I just felt more happy and alive and kind of resourced inside. Then I faithfully drank that water for some time. Around the time of 2007, though, that kind of went by the wayside a bit just because in the circumstances I was in, it was kind of hard to manage it. And it was also not that convenient. And my head was so in my new problem that I wasn’t really focused on what the potential for structured water might be.

So, flash forward to 2011. One of my clients calls me up and says “I need to know what the best water system is for my house because I keep drinking lots of water and I still feel dehydrated.” And I said “I don’t know” because I’ve looked at a lot of systems and all of them seem to have some kind of flaws to them – generic type of minerals which may not suit everybody, etc. And so, we both went looking and came up with a company that sold these structured water devices. And I told her that I knew it should be structured water. So, she went and found something. And, basically, the rest is history. I got a portable unit. I got a shower unit. And my friend and client, by the way, she was chemically sensitive. So, we were both starting from a very environmentally sensitive point of view. And we both noticed the same thing, which is that we both felt a whole lot better in general. And she interestingly started noticing her skin like detoxing some kind of cream that her parents put on her skin when she was a kid, petroleum-based product. Just from taking showers in the water, all this stuff like moved out of her body. And, for me, I started drinking it and one of the things I hadn’t mentioned is that one of the worst symptoms that I had from electrosensitivity was anxiety, sort of like I’ve got final exams coming, kind of state of mind most of the time, which is horribly stressful.

Gina:               High alert.

Holland:          Yeah, high alert. And not really being able to do much about it, trying to talk myself down from it or go to places where I felt better. And you asked earlier how do we know if we’re being affected by this or not. It really does go back to if you take yourself away from technology, how do you feel? Especially, if you stay away for a few days, how do you feel? If you go into a particular building, you feel like kind of disoriented and you know, not so sharp, and maybe you’re in a worse mood, you were kind of irritable and you weren’t before. You leave the building and you don’t feel that way anymore. There are people who got smart meters, people who know nothing about EMF and they got the new smart meters on their homes and suddenly they’ve got heart problems or asthma or insomnia that they didn’t have before. So it’s always going back to “Well, what changed? If I’m in proximity to something or what did I just put on my house or bring into my house, etc.” and that’s actually an easy way, somewhat easy way to know.

I lost my train of thought here.

Oh yes, getting back to starting with structured water, yeah, my mood became so much more bright again because, for me, exposure to Wi-Fi completely takes away my sense of humor. I have like all the sense of humor of a rock when there’s a lot of Wi-Fi around. And I started becoming more myself again and just much more it’s like steady, grounded and stable than I had been. And showering was just awesome because the house that I was in, where the bathrooms were, there were a lot of Wi-Fi and cell towers and antennas, more on that side of the house. And so, when I would go in and take a shower, normally, sometimes by the time I was done, I was so in pain from it, more like psychological pain like so much anxiety inside that I’d often be crying. It just sounds really pathetic but it was really awful. So, I put on the shower unit and started taking the showers and I noticed that when I was under that water, I just felt like I was in the mountains like it was a completely different experience. And it lasted a while too. I felt cleaner also, like my hair and my skin felt cleaner. I didn’t have that horrible thing to look forward to anymore. So, I just felt more well. So, these were like undeniable signs that structured water was really helping me. And I had no reason to think beforehand that I would have those results.

I have a friend who is actually a building biologist. And so, it requires her to go into a lot of buildings with a lot of EMF problems. And so, she actually feels kind of whacked out when she gets home. She goes and takes a shower in structured water and she feels much better. The water has so many negative electrons in it. And when we go into high EMF environments, that’s a lot of positive electrons that are all around. And since we are electrical and with so much water, we conduct all of that and we actually have a tendency to store it as well. And our stressed state makes us actually even more prone to storing it. So, when you go around with this acquired load of positive ions and you get underneath the structured water, it starts to ground out all of those positive ions, literally pulling the charge out of your body so that you can get back into this more balanced normal state. And to some extent, that’s what’s going on internally as well when you’re drinking structured water. This is the grounding out of some of the acquired charge and restoration of all the cellular structures, to some extent, for sure, depending upon what you’re exposed to on a daily basis. And then all those negative ions that we need around ourselves that help facilitate all these metabolic processes are there in good supply, so we can use the oxygen that comes in and we can make the ATP. And our cells, you were talking about the voltage-gated calcium channels that are stuck open, well, with all the membranes are working correctly with this new structured state, they’re more back to being able to self-regulate correctly as well. So, a lot of this inherent protection that we had before, to some degree, gets restored by using the structured water.

Gina:               Holland, tell me what was it like for you when you started finding the science was matching up with the healing experiences you were having?

Holland:          I just found it fascinating because it’s not that I ever doubted my experience. I don’t tend to doubt my physical experience because I know my body’s not going to lie to me. My mind may fabricate stuff but the body never does that, right? It’s just in the moment with whatever’s going on. I love the science because it points to so much more about what is possible when water is in its natural state. And I’ve always thought that when we have certain basics in place, we’ve got the good water, we’ve got good light, good air, we have friends and people who love us in our lives, and decent food, a lot of stuff sorts itself out. A lot of these incredibly complicated scenarios we have and so forth about how our health is, so much of that is that we’re on this foundation of things that have been tampered with – bad air, water that doesn’t hydrate you, food that doesn’t really nourish you, stressed out people that you’re with, and so on. So, I love seeing how far it goes when you start looking at structured water, the effects on the land. And I wanted to talk to you about what I noticed on this property where I am now with structured water around me because that was another kind of eye-opening experience.

Can I go ahead and do that?

Gina:               Yes, I want to hear it.

Holland:          Okay. I’m going back a few years when I first started using structured water. One of the first things that I did was to test it out on a fish tank because I like to test things on creatures or people who have no agenda like little kids or animals, plants, whatever, like they’re not going to fabricate anything. And so, there’s one big giant goldfish in a big tank and this poor fish led a fairly mundane life. It would swim around a little bit up and eat but not much going on for that fish. So, I replaced the water in the tank with structured water and I noticed it became a lot more lively, swimming around more. And then it’s used to start to come over to the side of the tank and wiggle around when it was hungry and it would stare at me. And it didn’t even know I was there before that. And I also found that when there was structured water, a big quantity of structured water around me that I could feel it. I could feel it around the whole floor. I was upstairs. And it had this big field that was very harmonious. So, that much I knew that it had that potential. And I knew that structured water was part of, maybe entirely, why it can do what it can do is that it’s in a coherent state. And what we get with a lot of EMF or toxic chemicals and so forth is we get a lot of noise. So, typically, we all have a lot of this energetic noise around us coming from the wiring and the appliances and the Wi-Fi, the cell phones, stuff coming in from the outside. We have a lot of choppiness in the scalar fields, the energetic field around us, and we’re very affected by that.

So, in this house, about two, almost three years ago, I put in a couple of structured water house units outside and they’re positioned so that all the water inside the house and all the water outside the house is all structured. And I thought it would be good and I thought that mostly what I would experience would be that it would feel good when I was outside and that the plants would do better because I’ve seen that with little potted plants that they were all happier with structured water but I didn’t expect that about an hour after installing those house units, I suddenly relaxed deeply like I hadn’t been that relaxed in a very long time and my body just kind of settled down all of a sudden “Oh, wow, I can breathe.” I’d forgotten how to relax like that. The interesting thing is that because we are water and also because we’re electrical beings, we really do conduct, in a sense, a lot of what’s going on in the field around us. It has a huge effect on us. So, a lot of the tension that we feel is literally coming from the space that we’re sitting in, we’re sleeping in. and, likewise, when there’s a lot more coherence around, from whatever source, whether it’s a lot of trees outside, natural building, natural fibers and materials around you, all of those are prone to emanating coherent fields. And you fixed all your wiring, so less [inaudible][34:38] problem. And so, it’s incredibly healing actually to be in an environment that has that much more coherence in it. And a couple of customers I had were therapists who both got some tools to take into their offices to help to do that very thing with the EMF in their offices. So, they were basically putting in devices that create coherence and taking all those rough signals that are in the wiring and coming from the lights and so forth and converting that into that kind of coherence that comes from structured water, which is nature’s coherence.

Gina:               Right, it is.

Holland:          And they both told me independently that their clients got better results more easily. So, having all this coherence around one or just continuing to increase that, however you can do that, has this immediate plus supporting effect on our health in all ways. I was even thinking that one of my hydration tips actually is to be in a low-EMF environment and to have that coherence around one as well as drinking the water because a lot of what dehydrates us is coming from where we live and work because it has all those positive ions and it is just distressing all the water structures that are inside of us and all of that is dehydrating. If you’ve ever gone to a meeting in an office building for a while and there’s all the printers and phones and everything all around and bad lighting, it dries you, right? So, it’s literally dehydrating. So, that’s part of my solution actually, personally, for staying more hydrated is to remove EMF distress which is dehydrating.

Gina:               I’m thinking about this because so often we tend to think of water being a basic human right that we shouldn’t have to pay for, right? And it would just be what it is and it’s very hard to have to share with people that water isn’t what it is anymore. It’s been interfered with in such a way that the charge that is naturally there because the molecules have been polarized has been blown apart by one chemical interference, chemical treatments in water plants and then pressurizing through very narrow straight pipes which doesn’t allow water to get its serpentine shape that creates the spin in the molecule that then allows it to have electrical charge. So, what we are paying for when we buy devices, and, of course, at the Hydration Foundation it’s very important us that we present all sorts of different ways in for people so that they can start the process to heal themselves very, very inexpensively by just using foods or using lemon or using salt and water, helping them start there. However, our environments are so compromised that I think we do need to call in other devices. Especially as these EMF frequencies now are approaching 4G and 5G, it’s what triggered me was thinking about “Wow, people pay to go on vacation to get away from the whole stress. And you could actually create that in your own home through structured water devices and EMF protection and also blessing the earth through that.” The fact that you put it outside and that your grasses and plants and trees would benefit, it’s just a mercy mission. I really appreciate you making that choice and saying that.

Holland:          I think it was that way because I noticed just through Feng Shui that when you create a much more balanced harmonious environment, there’s a ripple effect. So, anything that creates more coherence and balance in a property goes out and has a wider influence. So, I feel like it’s part of my contribution to the neighborhood is to water my plants with structured water.

Gina:               And it’s actually a fact. I mean, I know you have a science background from your family and that you are very thoughtful about these approaches and it’s been exciting to have the many conversations we’ve had and realize that we’re returning water to its natural state all over again and again as soon as we bring this charge back and it continues to cascade wherever it goes until it’s interfered with by something else. There’s a passage, I’m not sure, within the Psalms or the New Testament, I think it is the New Testament. It’s “Even being in proximity to a healer, to a person who is drawing on spiritual resources and love,” let’s call it love,” just to be in proximity to a person who loves is a healing experience.” And I just love that idea. I love the fact that we can think about that water flowing further out from us. And all incredibly potent ways in which water is spoken about as a healing medium through all different traditions and histories and sacred texts. So, the fact that we’re having a conversation on structured water, to me, is a conversation about sacred water, sacred potency. It’s the science conversation now but it’s still falling underneath this sort of sacred potency. And I really love that.

Do you have any other hydrating tips for us before we sign off, Holland? You drink structured water, right?

Holland:          I drink it every day all the time. I structure …

Gina:               A portable device?

Holland:          Yeah. I’ve only missed it one day in since 2011 because that was a really unpleasant day. So, I look for everything that I can do with structured water, number one, because the more things that touches around me, the better they feel. Another client of mine pointed out that when she washed her floor, her floor was cleaner but it also felt better that there’s some sort of way in which contact with it seems to clean out the energy of something. So, it isn’t exactly a hydrating tip but it’s almost like a de-stressing tip in a way because whenever we go back to something that’s more normal and energetically clean, our stress level goes down. Stress is practically the most harmful thing that there is, especially chronic stress.

Gina:               Right. It’s a frequency.

Holland:          Yeah. We’re not designed to be in survival mode more than just for a blip, like to get the meal or to get out of immediate danger, that kind of thing. We’re not designed for chronic stress. So, we know that it’s incredibly stressful to be around unnatural influences all the time. We may not know it because we’re around them so much, we’ve forgotten how we used to feel but I’ve noticed that the washing my clothes feel different and better, washing the wall, the floor. The other day I’d gotten into making body lotions, basic organic ingredients. Nice to start with but these formulas are recipes, they’re all half structured water. And I don’t even know how to account for how good these things feel on my skin. It is sort of like having a healer in a bottle. It’s curious to me. So, yeah, how far can structured water go?

I did want to go back just a step to the other things that we do to hydrate ourselves. The comment you made about talking to people about having to get devices – “Why isn’t water just fine, right?” At the time that I became electro-hypersensitive, I’ve had a basically a very hydrating diet, a lot of super foods, there’s a lot of fresh organic food. I didn’t buy junk food, all that stuff, for years. And I know that helped me enormously. Who knows, I could have gotten to be electrosensitive before that point? So, for me, I’ve had to make extra steps involving getting devices like a water structuring unit to make a real difference in my health and wellbeing. It’s no question but, for me, that investment means I’m not spending a whole lot of money chasing cures, going to people trying to figure out what to do. So, in light of how lost you can get trying to solve your health problems, it’s really not expensive.

Gina:               And also so stressful and you come back so many times with people, they’ve given you a partial answer and then you go through that experience of only getting a partial healing and those are painful places because we do want to be fully released. We do want to find our vitality. We want to move into our aging stories with great hope instead of just “Is there more decay ahead of me? Is that all I’m facing?” And then also “In what ways can I contribute?” As I move towards my eldership, and so many people around me talk about diminishment, and through the story of structured water, I know I can always be giving a gift back to whether I’m filled with it and it gives me a certain vibe and that allows me to broadcast to a room or to a grocery line or postal line whatever. Structured water has become incredibly valuable to me and my own story.

Anything else you want to address, Holland, before we say goodbye? Is there any other thing we might have missed that you wanted to [inaudible][46:08] prepare for?

Holland:          Well, I can certainly be in agreement with you about your biblical quote about being in the proximity of a healer. I mean, this sounds really dry to say but when you’re in a healthy state, really vital functional state, you’re very highly organized. And doesn’t that sound dry? But it’s true. It’s like all the systems that we have are all interconnected and humming along and intercommunicating and that is a high degree of organization. So, when we consume things like tap or a lot of bottled water out there that are somewhat in a disorganized state, the water molecules are not in the state that is actually capable of hydrating us and also water absorbs so many frequencies just like a crystal sucks them all in and holds them, that is actually information. So, we’re swallowing and bathing in a lot of incoherent information. It’s disorganized. So, part of supporting a vibrant state of health is to drink highly organized water. And that’s healing. And the way that it feels is far from dry. It does get to feeling holy because there’s a kind of a happiness and a kind of a joy when we’re in the state that’s natural to us. And when we’re so much more directly connected to the natural world around us and part of it. We’re not separate from it. A lot of our stress is this sort of ongoing experience of separation. We’re more separated from other people. We’re separated from a lot of the things we actually really need to be well. So, there’s this ongoing feeling of “I don’t have what I need.”

Gina:               Well, the model for holistic medicine comes from the wholeness. And the word ‘wholeness’ is related to holiness. They’re all really deeply connected. So, yes, we’re talking about holy kind of water, holy, organized. I love the way you put it and I love that you gave us the contrast back and forth. And, frankly, I just love you, Holland.

Holland:          Oh, thank you.

Gina:               You’ve been healer in my life and I’m so happy for your work and that you love and care for buildings, properties, trees, plants, along with people’s bodies and I just think that’s a beautiful thing because it’s so needed in our world and we are very excited to present something as simple as water that could bring so much potency and healing. So, thank you, Holland Franklin.

Oh no, you have one more thing.

Holland:          Just one last thing. Since we are so powerful, our fields as human beings are extraordinarily powerful. When you have a device, when you don’t have a device, if you’re just holding onto your water and just simply loving it and appreciating it, that actually changes the vibration of it, too, and makes it better for you. Whether you’re praying over your food or whatever it is, just that appreciation for all what this is doing for us will actually come back to you immediately in greater wellbeing.

Gina:               Well, it makes sense, right? Gratitude is a vibe. It’s an emotional frequency. And if the water’s picking up that feeling and then we ingest it, we’re getting doubly blessed there. So, it isn’t such a stretch anymore, now that we’re digital people and we understand digital transfer. Maybe a hundred years ago we’d have to talk about in a different way but we get to have the conversation now on frequencies, vibrations, energy, digital signaling and it makes sense to us. Otherwise, we wouldn’t even be on this call together where we both can see each other. And it’s fabulous that we’re getting to share the summit online like this and anybody can come see it and that we get to share information like this. And I especially appreciate the fact that you hold this unique position all of being both a practitioner but then someone who experienced the very thing she was struggling to heal and how you found your way out of that and shared that with us.

So, Holland Franklin, thank you so much. Where can people find more about you?

Holland:          My website is www.HollandFranklin.com. And I do have a nice article there about structured water and how it can help protect you from cell phones and other EMF influences.

Gina:               Fantastic. I read that article. It was great.

Holland:          Thank you.

Gina:               Thank you. All right. Bless you. Take care. Bye, bye.

Lloyd Burrell:  In the presence of such a spiritual person.

Gina Bria:       Wow! That means a lot to me. I think that becoming hydrated literally helped me become more spiritual. I’m, from the anthropology point of view, just trained in looking at ritual around the world and recognizing that spiritual our states are altered states of consciousness and then matching that up with the science, that hydration raises cognitive function so that we can actually, as anthropologists say, that a highly hydrated state is an altered state of consciousness.

Lloyd Burrell:  Yeah.

Gina Bria:       Wow!

Lloyd Burrell:  It is. Wow! It is. This is what is just so amazing is this bridging of what the ancients knew.

Gina Bria:       Yes.

Lloyd Burrell:  You’re already way ahead of us. We’re just trying to find out what science is showing us. So, it’s exciting times.

Gina Bria:       Well, exciting times are upon us. And we would formally like to welcome Lloyd Burrell to the Hydration Solution Summit sponsored here by the Hydration Foundation. And Lloyd is one of those dream colleagues who has advanced our work, loved our work, helped us in any way that he could. And Lloyd comes to us from Electric Sense. He does interviews with all of the people thinking and talking about EMF. So, he is the person we’ve gone to, to get the collected wisdom, the collected information on EMFs. And this conversation, where our missions overlap, Lloyd, you know this so well, is that we are going to have a conversation around how water can mitigate EMF. And by EMFs, we’re talking about nonnative or frequencies that are disturbing to our cellular signals, how water can buffer that. And this is really brand-new information. We we’ve been looking for different ways to try to protect ourselves and help ourselves and actually supersede the EMF threat that we have upon us. Whether it’s still in the 4G state or getting to the 5G state, we really have to intervene and take personal and collective action.

And what’s been happening to us here at the Hydration Foundation is we’ve been exposed through Lloyd and also some other conversations. For example, I was just at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco and Dr. Karl Merrick was there of the Dove Institute. And he is an expert in electromagnetic fields. In fact, he did work consulting with military electronic magnetic fields. So, he’s coming out of the implications of that. He’s very well versed. And I went to hear a public lecture on 5G. I was stunned to have at the end of all his slides presenting the concerns we should have, the role of structured water in mitigating EMF. So, the first time I’ve ever been to a public lecture, I don’t know him, I don’t know anything about his work, and suddenly he’s talking about structured water. I was thrilled and really … Of course, I attacked him afterwards – “Dr. Karl, can we talk to you? Can we work with you?” and I know I’ve sent you his information right away, Lloyd, because I know you’re going to want it but the surprise of that day came after Dr. Merrick … Not only was Dr. Merrick talking about structured water … And, of course, these guys don’t know each other. They’re invited by a club to discuss 5G. The last presentation of the day was a dutchman who was a very highly placed CEO in the IT industry all through the 8s and 9s. He actually set up the communication systems using electromagnetic fields throughout the European Union. His name is Doc Santing. He is like someone who would know all about electromagnetic fields. And he has come out said “Okay, they’re far more damaging than we thought. They’re planetary damaging. They’re damaging our plants, our cells, our biology as people” but also he went to the microbes in the ground, which I’ve never heard anyone talk about. And imagine my surprise when the second half of his presentation is how structured or coherent water will and can buffer electromagnetic fields and that’s our way out. It was such a surprise to hear two speakers present on EMFs bringing it to structured water. Now, by structured water we mean water that has found its new state, its natural state because we actually interfere with it getting into this state of the molecular exchange of energy between the hydrogen bond angles so that that kind of water, which we can talk about and get to, and of course this whole summit is about kinds of water, can buffer electromagnetic fields.

So, Lloyd, I know you have just finished your book. I want you to talk about that and I want you to talk about why you put hydration in there. Amazing. And now, again, I’ll just remind people that you are interviewing experts all over the world on EMF. So, here’s where they come to for the cohesive picture of what’s going on.

Lloyd Burrell:  Yes. So, I always like to just tell people why I’m talking about this. And it’s always the same story. I’ve told the story many, many times. And because you mentioned some people there, experts, because I never call myself an expert, people call me an expert sometimes, it’d be a bit immodest saying that but they do, but I don’t call myself an expert. So, I don’t pretend to be anything I’m not. And the only reason I’m talking to you about this is because what happened to me, an experience with my cell phone is one day in 2002 I had a reaction to my cell phone. Just out of the blue I answered my phone. And something happened that never happened before. And I didn’t know what was going on. And I just thought I was getting a cold or something and I thought “Next day or in a few days I’ll be fine.” And this burning sensation started affecting the side of my face, my head, and my ear and got progressively worse literally over the course of a few telephone conversations. People calling me. So, it wasn’t as if I was provoking this because I was running a business, nothing to do with EMFs, at the time. People calling me for my job. I was running a rental business. And this is how it all started. And it really turned my world upside down because not only could I not use a cell phone within a very short time, I was being affected by my computer, I was being affected by the TV, I was feeling things around and the radio when I was going out in the car. Everything I was coming into contact with in this modern world seemed to be affecting me, even my corded landline. And it was just so unexpected. And I’ve always been healthy. And I’ve always kind of loved what I’m doing. And life was good at the time and I went to see my doctor and he said it was stress. And I thought “Are you crazy?” In a way, he was kind of right but, obviously, it wasn’t quite the kind of stress he was thinking of. It was a long, long, long learning curve because at that time in 2002 nobody was talking about this. Nobody was talking about EMFs and health in the same sentence. They were talking about EMFs but it was dry engineering kind of stuff and, obviously, people talking about health for a long time but not in the same sentence. So, there were no solutions. So, I set about looking for solutions for me. It was really a question of survival. That’s not to overstate it because it was pretty scary. When this thing happens to you, you go knocking on doors of people with white coats and they don’t have the answers and nobody has the answers really. That’s when you kind of … It took me a few years to kind of get my act together.

Gina Bria:       It’s a pilgrim journey, isn’t it? I mean, we’ve set out to an unknown space. It’s very frightening because our own sacred vessel is at risk. And we don’t have anywhere to go. We don’t know who to ask for help. We don’t see a solution.

Lloyd Burrell:  It is, it is. I got into, at the time, where I was in all this victim mentality, which you do. It’s one of the things I went through. I’m human. And you’re thinking “Why me? Why me?” And now, I’ve come to realize. So, no formal training. I trained as like a CPA, an ACA in Britain. So, an accountant, basically. And I got into this thing, this EMFs, and I was looking for solutions and that’s how it all developed and snowballed and I started talking about it on the internet. And it was to get the message out. Actually, it was just to get the message out that I started talking on the internet and it grew from that.

Yeah, let’s talk about my story in terms of certain elements of my story which are going to resonate with you. I think one of them was when I encountered Dr. George Carlo in 2008, who’s an American researcher with a legal background. He was also head of a bigger research program on cell phones. And I went to see him in just south of London. And he talked to me about, well, he talked not just me but he made a presentation, about something called Membrane Sensitivity Syndrome about ion channel permeability and about how inflammation carrying radio waves, how our cells are being impacted by these frequencies and how our cell membrane is being damaged. I’m kind of isolating this encounter for you because this was kind of key. It was kind of the first time that I made the connection between what I’m experiencing and my cells. I never thought of it myself. I mean, it sounds crazy now to think about it because it’s so obvious. Maybe it’s not obvious to all the people that are watching this but it is kind of fundamentally who we are like the health of experience is a direct reflection of the health of ourselves.

Gina Bria:       Kind of like what zip-lock bags were made up of, all stacked on top of each other.

Lloyd Burrell:  Right.

Gina Bria:       It could block water and materials.

Lloyd Burrell:  Right, right. So, that was the kind of one aha moment. And then another aha moment was in 2014 I was in Piccadilly Circus in London in Waterstones. I came across this book called Cellular Awakening by a lady called Barbara Wren, who’s British. That’s the year I actually started my podcast. And I was really thrilled to get Barbara on. She’s a nutritionist and an author. She wrote several books. And she had a very profound message which really got me thinking again, just kind of more sort of opened my horizons really to this whole world I never really thought about. That was this kind of microcosm and macrocosm things. There’s a microcosm of the cells and what’s going on at the cellular level and then the macrocosm of the universe and how the two are linked. And she was talking about the planets, how the planets affect us, like the moon. What’s that? Like the moon with the draw, the pull of the moon and how that affects our sleep. And, obviously, that’s related to water. And also, Mars. Also, how that affects this link between migraines and the health of our liver and how the planet Mars impacts this also and how all these planets in the solar system are having subtle effects on our health, things we don’t think about.

Gina Bria:       Invisible effects. We invited Roland McCraty from the Heart-Math Institute who has set up geomagnetic stations all over the planet now to actually track where those impacts are coming in from planets, from space. We’re not having conversation about “Do you believe in the Zodiac? That’s so crazy.” That’s not the conversation we’re having at all anymore. Identifying the value that because it’s invisible doesn’t mean it isn’t having that impact on ourselves.

Lloyd Burrell:  Right.

Gina Bria:       So, it helps frame the EMF conversation.

Lloyd Burrell:  Yeah. So, this whole eureka moment kind of with that and this understanding that light, which is an electromagnetic field by the weights on the electromagnetic spectrum, is important to health, it’s important to ourselves, it’s important to the universe. It’s how the universe communicates through light. So, that’s important but hydration is vital. And one of the reasons it’s vital is because hydration is what enables our cells, and not just our cells but living things, to store and retain photons. And so, photons are a form of light energy and little bundles of energy, quantum of energy. And this is just so fundamental. And so, we’ve got light, we’ve got this hydration, and also the other notion that the minerals are very important too. And this realization that there is this cellular stress. So, when we have a cellular stress, then that creates like an internal stress. What we mean by that is it’s impacting our organs and tissues in all kinds of different ways, which can lead to disease, but when we have an internal stress, that goes back to the cellular stress and we get in this kind of vicious cycle or circle which is difficult to break. And hydration is key to this. I mean, behind every disease, I’ve heard this said, there is dehydration, 9 times out of 10.

Gina Bria:       Well, what is death ultimately?

Lloyd Burrell:  Right?

Gina Bria:       Desiccation.

Lloyd Burrell:  So, it’s so fundamental. And what’s going on in the cells, so we’ve got this mineral, lots of mineral exchanges, transactions, notably for electrolytes – sodium, calcium – which are going into cells in the day and magnesium and potassium which are going out and then that should change over as you sleep, except if you’re not properly hydrated, then that won’t necessarily be the case and you’ll get excess sodium and calcium at nighttime and that could lead to tiredness. So, hydration is just so fundamental. It’s fundamental to the health of ourselves. And everything which stresses ourselves is potentially a problem. And one of the things that stresses ourselves is EMFs. There’s lots of things that stress ourselves but one of the things is EMFs. And the big problem is now, and you we were talking about this at the beginning, what’s happening is we’re moving into this world where we’ve got increasing exposures because everybody wants super-fast download speeds and to be able to do Lord knows what with the telephones. I mean telephone [inaudible][19:15] is great. I mean, I love the technology.

Gina Bria:       And now [inaudible][19:22].

Lloyd Burrell:  It’s the downside. And so, there is a huge downside. And that’s what I share is to make people aware of this downside. So, these EMFs are impacting us in so many ways but they are a cellular stressor which is, in my mind, no doubt leading to dehydration. I mean, I’ve talked to so many people about this, not just scientists, non-scientists too. I remember one lady, Frances Fox, who’s a medium. She can see the energies in people. She’s saying she can see the radiation on people. People coming in and she could see and she was saying to them “Well, where do you live?” and “What job do you do?” And she was realizing there was spending all down the phone or maybe they were living next to a power line etc., etc. So, these EMFs are affecting everybody. That’s what the science is telling us. And hydration is so key. And if we lived in an ideal world, we wouldn’t even be talking about this probably because we would have good quality drinking water, natural water. And that is the problem is that we don’t have that very easily anymore. We can create it thanks to various companies that I know that you work with. We can recreate that but that is the problem. So, these various encounters I had and you came to speak on my podcast, that was another encounter. And that was a realization for me. And I already realized about the quality of drinking water but not quiet in the way that you described it. And the kind of the eight glasses of water day is not the way. I hadn’t got that totally until you’d explained to me about this EZ and the work of Dr. Gerald Pollack. So, all this together, the EMFs, not just EMFs, we’re not saying it’s just the EMFs but all these different toxins which are impacting us, we’ve already got a problem with the quality of water anyway and just people have got problems. I mean, hydration is just a problem in itself, I think, because of the 21^st century life. That’s what’s happening.

Gina Bria:       Well, I think, from the Anthropology point of view, if you look at us as biological creatures, we are literally out of our natural habitat every day all day long. We’re not biologically matched to where we’re living or what our lifestyle includes. All those things make us vulnerable. And those vulnerabilities accumulate over time so that now we’re … I think, the numbers are extraordinary. It’s either one in two or one in three people have a chronic condition. And what makes me sad, Lloyd, is every one of those people thinks it’s their fault, some deficiency in their body that they’re personally struggling with and trying to find some personal answer. And just identifying for people this is an us problem, you’re not in this alone, it’s an environmental condition that we now live in all together. And some of us manage it better than others because our physiology is in its strength or its vulnerability. So, starting there is an important point because people aren’t aware like fish that they’re out of their natural environment. They’re just like “Well, this is the life I have.” So, helping people trace that knowledge to “My biology isn’t match to the day that I’m living” every single day again and again and again whether it’s car commutes or prescription medications or processed foods, lack of sunlight, poor soil quality, lack of minerals. The lack of minerals is a huge important issue because minerals ignite charge in water. And why eight glasses a day is unhealthiness? Tap water and bottled water have no charge in it. They’re neutral. We can test that. It’s not about alkaline. It’s not about pH and all these other things. It’s about whether that water carries the photon and absorbs the electromagnetic function of the sun to run ourselves. We run on sunlight filtered through water. It’s very simple but do we have water? No. Do we have sunlight? No. Two massive points of health in our system that run our biology are missing. And now we have additional interference with that through EMFs.

Lloyd Burrell:  We do.

Gina Bria:       And it’s great to link water, the healthy water, to helping us find adaptive protective strategies in the new environment. Nobody’s going to exit that environment anytime soon. We’re not going back to living outside but adapting is really what we need to talk about now.

Lloyd Burrell:  It is, it is. And there needs to be a collective conversation about this too. So, it’s about solutions at a personal level but it also has to be, and I become aware of this and particularly that’s what I’m seeing with the 5G and I think that’s one of the things which is positive because I’m an optimist and I think everything’s going to be fine in the end. Well, when is the end? When are we going to get to that point?

Gina Bria:       When we produce strength together and get a chorus of voices so that we’re not outlying crazies anymore. We’re actually a chorus of credible speakers, which is what this summit is trying to do, to share really how important hydration is in helping us adapt. I mean, water itself is really valuable but because we’re water beings, we’re so much out of water than we think we are.

Lloyd Burrell:  We’re more water than anything else. We are predominantly water. We don’t know exactly how much we’re water but I think Gerald Pollack says like we’re 99% water, [inaudible][26:50] 70% water, the brains is [inaudible][26:52] water. Who knows exactly what’s really the percentages is, which is important? It’s the notion that we are more water than anything else.

Gina Bria:       And run by water. Our fuel is water. It helps people to actually go “Oh my god, yes. Okay, I get it. I’m a water being, flow-through system. If I don’t have quality water flowing through me, my cells can’t detox and wash out all that.” People aren’t used to thinking of water washing out electromagnetic frequencies like that’s an idea that doesn’t really land. They’re more used to thinking of the particles, the toxic particles but actually water is itself constantly vibrating frequencies. So, it can overlap and interface electromagnetically. This is great news.

Lloyd Burrell:  Yeah, and it’s different frequencies. Obviously, you’ve got poor quality tap water which is a completely different frequency to spring water. And, again, it’s about and the differences with the spring water that is going to enrich you, it’s going to bring something of value to you, whereas the tap water is taking things away and it’s a problem for your body and it creates work for your body. And at some point, the camel’s back breaks and that’s what happened with me. That day in 2002, the camel’s back broke and that was probably one of the best things that ever happened to me. I say that now but if you [inaudible][28:39]. And, unfortunately, it seems there is a price to pay for this knowledge but let’s just hope it’s not too high a price for everybody.

Gina Bria:       I think, it’s a really important point, which is you interview a lot of people I interview a lot of people, often the conversation starts with their health crisis. And what’s curious to me looking at it as an ethnographer is it’s like the fire walk, it’s like the fire journey. And in indigenous tribes, the initiation is this difficult period where they have to go through an unknown pathway in which there’s pain, suffering and they’re scared. And they come out on the other side of that either informed and able to heal others around them, they bring back that healing capacity to their tribe. To me, this story is a match. And what we’re doing together is trying to become wounded healers. We’ve been wounded ourselves. Now, we’re bringing back information and giving it back to our tribe to bring protection, love, and healing. And as we link up, those frequencies of all our individual stories begin to have more and more of a coherent power together. And in the past 18 months I have seen such a shift with people speaking together, feeling like we’re linked up now. We’re not lone voices crying in the wilderness. We really have a set of important things to say back to call people through these artificial environments we’re living in and how detrimental they are to our health, our creativity, our children, our elders, all of those things. And that course of voice is really saying there’s threatening things, whether it’s chemicals from food or whether it’s EMF frequencies and that there are ways to positively literally shift the course. And water is central to that. So, that’s a great new message. And we’re happy to have you here to help us share it.

I wanted to ask you before we end hydrating tricks that you might practice yourself in your own healing.

Lloyd Burrell:  Well, I’ve always blessed my water. I said always, for years I’ve really. That’s part of my journey for as long, I don’t know, when I first started doing that. So, I bless my water and I bless my food because this is the other thing is, we don’t realize the power we have. And we have so much power, the power of our minds and the power of our hearts. And if just bringing those two together is just wow, that you can do so much. So, that is the basic healing tip, hydration tip is to bless your water and you can do it in so many different ways. And there is science behind this, by the way. I’m sure you know that. Masaru Emoto wrote a book on this, a Japanese researcher. And it can just be something like “I now bless this water with a positive energy,” for instance, or you can actually feel it, you can do it through your heart and it depends what feels right for you. Some people are more kind of feely people. I feel things a lot. So, that’s something you can do.

Gina Bria:       I have here my glass of water. What I do just before I sip it, I just lean it against my heart. So simple.

Lloyd Burrell:  Well, I’ve got a mix of structured water which has been through a portable device.

Gina Bria:       With a little spin funnel?

Lloyd Burrell:  Yes. And apple juice. And I tend to have this in the afternoon time. So, that’s another tip is to mix. So, have one of these portable devices, which are amazing. So, I muscle test a lot. I’m very connected. And so, what I noticed is when I started using this device that my muscle testing was a lot stronger. And so, yeah, it really does hydrate better. And so, when you muscle test, if people don’t know what that is, there’s all different ways of doing it, you can do like an O Ring test and things like this and slide, mine is a little bit different the way I do so but you can do it very, very simply. There are resources on internet that you can see to do this. Pretty much anybody can do it. One of the fundamental things to be able to do that is to be hydrated. You need to be grounded. You need to be hydrated. So, those are a few tips.

And also, obviously, nutrition because we’re talking about water but we’re talking about hydration. And the best hydration is obviously in the quality of the foods we eat, notably the vegetables. So, I actually a lot of vegetables. I eat very few fruits but I eat a lot of vegetables, particularly green vegetables, [inaudible][34:47] vegetables. I’m not vegetarian because I live in France. How can you be vegetarian in France? So, yeah, that’s another tip is the quality of the water that is the best filtered water is the water in this nutrient-rich water-rich foods and it can be fruits and it can be fruits and vegetables

Gina Bria:       Packaged by nature. Water packaged by nature.

Lloyd Burrell:  Packaged by nature. And organic, preferably, without being “Oh, you can’t go to whatever food chain.” Obviously, you can because life is to be lived and enjoyed – joy, joy, joy, joy.

Gina Bria:       You said something that created a mental picture for me that I didn’t quite have before but now I do and I’d love to pass it on to our listeners before we let you leave. I know you’ve got a plane. When you talk about gratitude and prayer, I realized that it would flash in my mind, I actually pictured you as a broadcast tower like the Eiffel Tower. We ourselves are EMFs broadcasting you. And we can broadcast back an overcoming message to the EMF frequencies that are coming in. We can change the frequency.

Lloyd Burrell:  We can change the frequency.

Gina Bria:       Wow! Just make the picture for me.

Lloyd Burrell:  Yes, because we can raise our vibration and that’s what we’re doing with all this. Just having this wonderful talk with you today is raising my vibration because you started off with a prayer, which I don’t do enough. Yeah, we can raise our vibrations so easily in so many ways. And we have to be careful what we’re exposing ourselves to and what we’re exposing ourselves to in terms of the apps but also the content, what’s on the Facebook and what’s on the YouTube video and what’s on your TV, and things like that. So, it’s an awareness thing with that. I don’t own a cell phone. So, it’s a lot easier for me. I don’t get all that garbage. So, I am on the internet but I’m really very selective. So, that’s another tip as well. If you want to raise your vibration, you can’t do it by exposing yourself to garbage. There is a lot of garbage out there, even on the news, particularly on the news.

Gina Bria:       Well, we connect like this and we harmonize our thoughts and our emotions and we wish our listeners so well. And I’m sure they all wish you well, Lloyd. You’re such a voice. You’ve collected so many experts and helped channel this really vital, it would have been stuck in the corners of information channel if we hadn’t had you. And I’m grateful the universe selected you to be a broadcast tower. I love your station. Thank you for this time.

Lloyd at Electric Sense Interviews. You’re going to learn so much more there. Please listen in. And I thank you for supporting us, Lloyd.

Lloyd Burrell:  Well, thank you so much, Gina. Thank you for the invitation. Thanks for making me part of your group. Thanks for doing this amazing work. It’s just so, so important. And, obviously, you’re the right person at the universe chose you to do this. Congratulations.

Gina Bria:       So, you’re going on vacation, I think? Blessed [inaudible][38:48]. Thank you again.

Lloyd Burrell:  Thank you, Gina.

Gina Bria:       Welcome. Bye, bye.

Lloyd Burrell:  Bye, bye.